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PostSubject: Anyone seen the new Necrons?   Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:59 am

I was on Dakka Dakka and this news thread about Necron was open. Anyone thinking about getting a new/revamping an old army? I'll personally be buying some Deathmarks - Just because they are very cool. My ABC Warriors squad might be nearer with these models to play with (Joe Pineapples will definitely get created at the very least!)
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/403994.page

Any thoughts?

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone seen the new Necrons?   Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:57 am

I saw the new Necron pictures. Not sure what it is, but Necrons just really don't do it for me. Maybe they just seem a bit bland to me. I am not looking forward to a super powered Necron codex and the fluff justifying a tide of Necrons attacking. That is what I fear at least.

They would be neat in death squads. Maybe I just dislike the appearance of monolisks. Who knows. I am not a Necron fan.
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PostSubject: Re: Anyone seen the new Necrons?   Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:17 am

Hadn't seen them yet, some of them are pretty sweet indeed!
You know what makes this thread more interesting?? Pics! Cool

Info copied from DakkaDakka

Dual kit that can be build as a Command Barge or a Support Barge:


Dual kit that can be build as the Ghost Ark, a troop transporter ...


... or the Doomsday Ark, a gun platform:


Then the HQ: The new Necron characters Imotekh the Stormlord and Trazyn the Infinite...



... and the new Necron Overlord models (left one Finecast, right one the plastic model from the command barge):


The rumoured sniper unit, the Deathmarks (with only one eye to improve stereoscopic vision)


Two new boxes with elite cc units. First Lychguard with Warscythes ...


... and (alternative weapon choice) Hyperphase Swords and Dispersion Shields:


Second box has Triarch Praetorians with Rods of the Covenant (AP2 assault power weapons) ...


... and (alternative weapon choice) Particle Blasters & Void Blades:


New Immortals with Gauss Blasters ...


... and some other weapon choice (yes, BoW labelling is wrong because of WD text fragment belonging to upper pic) :


New Flayed Ones:


So these are the missing models of the first wave (not counting characters):

Night Scythe/Doom Scythe: flyer/skimmer !
Triarch Stalker Giant scorpion walker
Canoptek Wraiths (possibly new)
Tomb Blades: Jetbikes
Destroyers/Heavy Destroyers (possibly new)
Tomb Spyders: flying and more nimble.

So two more flyers added to the list since January 2009.


Here official texts and UK prices (as featured by Wayland Games website). Still some uncertainty about material, seems like too many plastic kits. While the Wayland list seems to contradict this, having combined Lychguard/Praetorian and Immortal/Deathmark boxes would make sense and reduce the number of plastic kits. And I guess, Flayed Ones are Finecast.

Necron Catacomb Command/Annihilation Barge - Multi-part plastic kit £20.50
The Necron Catacomb Command Barge - a floating Throne from which your Overlord can give command to his troops. This kit may also be used to make the Annihilation Barge, and the Overlord model may be used as a standalone figure.

Necron Doomsday/Ghost Barge - Multi-part plastic kit £31.00
Used to transport the mighty Necron Warriors into battle, the Ghost Barge packs a mighty punch. Alternatively, this boxed set also allows the option to field the Doomsday Barge - the gunship of the Necron arsenal.

Imotekh the Stormlord - Finecast £10.50
A legend among the stars, Imotekh has faced a thousand foes and survived - each time growing stronger and more determined.

Trazyn, the Infinite - Finecast £10.50
Deemed - by his enemies, as impossible to kill... and described by his peers as Immortal, Trazyn the Infinite is legendary among the stars. Having served in countless offensives, and survived a thousand wars, he stands testament to the stubbornness of his kind.

Necron Overlord - Finecast £10.50
The Necron Overlord is the soulless overseer of the relentless and unstoppable Necron advance - surrounded by a horde of his skeletal, robotic troops, the Overlord is unstoppable. (this is the dynamic left model, the other one is the plastic overlord from the command barge)

Necron Deathmarks - Multi-part plastic kit £20.50
Armed with superior guns, Necron Deathmasks are the sharp-shooters of the mysterious skeletal race. Box of 5.

Necron Lychguard - Multi-part kit (Finecast or plastic?) £20.50
The Lychguard are elite, ancient Necron Warriors - armed with superior weaponry to their skeletal brethryn - the lethal double-handed Warscythes, or Hyperphase and Void Shields. Box of 5.

Necron Triarch Praetorians - Multi-part plastic kit £20.50
Elite, Ancient skeletal warriors, Triarch Praetorians are practically unstoppable at the head of a Necron assault - armed with either Particle Casters and Void Blades, or Covenant Rods. Box of 5.

Necron Immortals - Multi-part plastic kit £20.50
Necron Immortals are the Heavy Infantry of the Necron army. Armed with more powerful Gauss weapons then their Warrior brethren, the Immortals are a wise investment for those looking to dominate the universe. Box of 5.

Necron Flayed Ones - Multi-part kit (Finecast or plastic?) £20.50
Necron Flayed ones are a horrifying unit- with claws so sharp they could rip a Space Marine apart with ease, the Flayed ones lay the still warm flesh of their defeated enemy over their metallic bodies to further discourage the enemy. Box of 5.

I haven't copied the rumors, but some info is pretty interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: Anyone seen the new Necrons?   Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:52 am

I have a Necron Army; Los Muertos Del Desierto (LINK)

While I like the new models (new Lords, Deathmarks & Lychguard), I'm all for the fluff. If they do justice to it, they get a convert from me. I would buy and return to 40k. If not... fuck, I put my Army on eBay and NEVER play 40k again.

Sorry, Dozer send me the information from Beast of War 4 days ago (when it was hot!) and I forgot to post it. Embarassed

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone seen the new Necrons?   Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:51 pm

Necrons are getting a little to Egypty for me. They are starting to just look like space Tomb Kings.
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PostSubject: Re: Anyone seen the new Necrons?   Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:09 pm

The models definitely are a step up from the previous necron models. A bit more variety.
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PostSubject: Re: Anyone seen the new Necrons?   Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:18 pm

I'm pretty excited for these. I've been back and forth on what 40k army I wanted to start building. I had an initial like of the Necrons (ease of painting is a boon for me) but after building an army a few years ago I realized, there was very little variety to the force. I'm digging the new models, though it is a bit farther towards Tomb Kings in space as Long John points out.
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PostSubject: Re: Anyone seen the new Necrons?   Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:13 am

40k will have to make a serious turnaround for me to consider playing it again. But the models are ace. There is only one solution: a Necron squad!

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone seen the new Necrons?   Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:43 am

Arachas wrote:
40k will have to make a serious turnaround for me to consider playing it again. But the models are ace. There is only one solution: a Necron squad!
Indeed! I'll only buy them models for Death Squads ! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Anyone seen the new Necrons?   Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:52 pm

Mordheimer wrote:

While I like the new models (new Lords, Deathmarks & Lychguard), I'm all for the fluff. If they do justice to it, they get a convert from me. I would buy and return to 40k. If not... fuck, I put my Army on eBay and NEVER play 40k again.

Not true......when I come up to visit we will not only be playing Death Squads , but 40k as well....you have no choice!!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone seen the new Necrons?   Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:16 pm

I feel so helpless... it's like Dozer controls my life!


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PostSubject: Re: Anyone seen the new Necrons?   Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:47 am

DoZer wrote:
Mordheimer wrote:

While I like the new models (new Lords, Deathmarks & Lychguard), I'm all for the fluff. If they do justice to it, they get a convert from me. I would buy and return to 40k. If not... fuck, I put my Army on eBay and NEVER play 40k again.

Not true......when I come up to visit we will not only be playing Death Squads , but 40k as well....you have no choice!!!!

With all due respect, DoZer, but you're far too smart to be playing 40k. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone seen the new Necrons?   Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:27 am

Arachas wrote:

With all due respect, DoZer, but you're far too smart to be playing 40k. Smile

No offense taken. I enjoy the game for it's mindless entertainment value.

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone seen the new Necrons?   Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:19 am

I was talking to Dozer when I figured out what bother me about the new models.

Some (rather important) background notes, originally posted by Yakface at BoLS.
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There is a dramatic change in the fluff in this codex from the previous incarnation of the Necrons. The Necrontyr's empire was massive at one point, but the different Lords in the empire started to turn against each other in civil war. To prevent this from happening the overall ruler of the Necrons (the Silent King) started the war against the Old Ones specifically to give them a common enemy to fight against to prevent his empire from destroying itself. Of course, the Old Ones ended up kicking their butts and in desperation, the Silent King found the C'Tan and agreed to the Deceiver's pact without realizing what he was doing. However, after the Necrons helped the C'Tan to kill off the last Old Ones, the Silent King then ordered the Necrons to turn on the C'Tan in vengeance and utterly destroyed the C'Tan into tiny shards. This war agains the C'Tan weakened the Necrons overall so much they decided to go into stasis to avoid the vengeance of the Eldar (the C'Tan had killed the Old Ones, but not all their children).

Now that the Necrons have reawakened in the 41st millennium, their goal is no longer to 'harvest' souls for the C'Tan (the C'Tan shards are now their slaves) as it was in the old book, but rather to reestablish the great Necron empire that spanned the galaxy before the war with the Old Ones began. However, the overall hierarchy of the Necron people is gone for the most part, leaving each individual Empire to once again rule for itself. This means each Tomb World (or cluster of Necron worlds) is essentially a separate little empire to itself, with a full backstory and idiosyncrasies. While Necron warriors are pretty much just automatons and Immortals not too much better, every other higher Necron being is now much more like an actual person, as their essence is simply trapped inside a metal body.

So there is lots of crazy nuance to Necron culture that was never present before. The codex now has plenty of 'quote' boxes featuring memorable quotes from Necron Lords like other races have in their books. There are some Necron Lords who honor valor in battle, there are a few Necron Lords who trade with other races, and although an uneasy alliance apparently, yes Necrons and Blood Angels did end up fighting against a Tyranid Hive Fleet together. Oh, and there is definitely plenty of reason to have Necron vs. Necron action now (as the old feuds between competing Necron Lords flare back up again).

All in all, it is a major tonal shift. While part of me recoils from it, the other part of me thinks that Necrons as they were had no distinct 'character' that each player could choose to get behind. Yes, the race as a whole had 'character' in how it was organized and functioned, but there was never any really good reason that a player should have his Necron force painted and modeled 'X' way as opposed to another player with his Necron army looking 'Y' way. People certainly painted their Necrons in different (neat) ways, but there was never really any good fluff giving players inspiration to do so.

The only real 'personality' in the old book was the Deceiver, and that frankly wasn't the Necrons, it was their god. The mindless mission that all Necrons were on was basically really similar to Tyranids...the Necrons were coming to harvest every living thing in the galaxy (yawn).

This new incarnation, love it or hate it, gives the Necrons a whole wide array of personality and every single empire has different goals and motives (not to mention paint schemes, markings, etc). Some Necron Lords are obsessed with finding the perfect flesh bodies to transfer their sentience back into. One Necron Tomb World was damaged during the great sleep and erased all the Necron sentience and has started basically commanding its Necrons like true robots (and is actively attacking other Necron worlds to take them over and keep growing), and there are of course dozens more little stories. The Silent King, who put himself into exile (for his unforgivable crime against his people) by leaving the galaxy after defeating the C'Tan encountered the Tyranids in the void between galaxies and has returned to spur the Necrons into action against the Tyranids (realizing that if the Tyranids wipe the galaxy clean of biological matter, then the Necrons will never find a form to transfer their minds back into).

Oh, and the biggest rival of the Necrons is now actually the Altaoic (sp?) Craftworld. Apparently they are the only Eldar who stayed true on the original path to seek out and destroy Necron Tomb Worlds while the rest of the Eldar got all caught up and destroyed in their decadence and then the Fall. Altaoic rangers have traveled the galaxy far and wide over the millennia (ever since the Necrons went to sleep) to track down and destroy or hamper Tomb Worlds from reawakening.

So with this new direction there is now tons of different possibilities for players to make Necrons forces different from each other and there are neat new takes on 'nemesis' races like Eldar & Tyranids to drive gaming plots as well as good reason for Necron on Necron battles.

And as for totally destroying the background of the C'Tan, the codex does allude to the fact that there are lots of unaccounted for C'Tan shards still allegedly cast around the galaxy. The Necron are always trying to hunt them down and imprison them (in pocket dimension prisons), but this does still leave the door totally wide open for a shard of 'The Dragon' to be on Mars and for shards of 'The Deceiver' to have done all the crazy things that's been written about him in novels. Essentially, the full power C'Tan were massively, massively powerful, and the 'shard' versions of them are closer to the idea of what we had in the last codex anyway (something that can be killed/banished on a battlefield).

So while it is a little shocking to have such a massive fluff change hit, I do think it is probably the right way forward to create a more fully realized faction. But I do think it is probably going to be a massive turn-off to those players who absolutely adored the old fluff for the army.


OK... so the 'older' Necrons were not fully awake or were malfunctioning, thus mindless. I can dig that. The 'new' Lords have retained consciousness, thus have their own agenda for their own part of the Necron Empire. Cool! I like that... WAIT! "their own part of the Necron Empire"? So the armies are lead the THE most powerful Lords? This is the same as saying that each SM army (for every player) is lead by a Primarch. This is stupid. If it is more toned down... I could dig it. Now, supposedly the lower Necrons (Warriors and other fodder) are automatons.

With those points... why would the DESIGN of a war-transport include stuff to meet the biological needs of ROBOTS?!?! Look at the Barges... SEATS?! Look at the Arks (stupid name!)... elbow room? C'mon! You could cram ROBOTS like sardines, in the MOST efficient way to move them and drop them into a combat zone. Look at the Star Wars' Droid Multi-Troop Transport (MTT)



The bots are crammed and delivered with maximum efficiency. What? Too big? OK! Try the Platoon Attack Craft (PAC), simply known as the battle droid carrier.


What do we get? Space Boats? They even look like have OARS! Practical? None the less! Why have silly Necrons on a "coffin" position, while you could have made it slightly bigger so you could put some PLAYABLE models? Other models seem to have this human 'need' for decorations. Metal loin-cloths? Puke Necrons should be represented in a very unique and 100% practical form... they are robots! Some units should be quadrupeds (more stable for walking) while others on tracks or better yet, skimmers.

Some of the models bother me because of those reasons. Once I get to read the official fluff, then I will decide what I will do for my Necrons.

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone seen the new Necrons?   Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:01 am

Now that the codex is out have you had a chance to give it a read Mord? I'm curious what you think. Personally I like it so far, but I was never that well read on previous fluff and what I did know made it hard for me to get into the army, even though they were my first choice.
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PostSubject: Re: Anyone seen the new Necrons?   Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:08 am

Love the new models, love the new fluff. LOVE!

Too bad I dislike 40k. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Anyone seen the new Necrons?   Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:37 am

Not yet... too much stuff to do. I do have a digital copy now, plan to buy it a little later.

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