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Mordheimer



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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:34 pm

Your WiP are impressive! Love them so far. I don't see a problem with the rust, but if you don't like the tone, I suggest a dry brush with fiery orange (specially on the edges... avoid deep spaces), then a LIGHT drybrush with boltgun metal.

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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:48 pm

I used weathering powders for the rust. I think I might try to find some less red orange and maybe a brown to help change the rust tone.
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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:45 am

I like what you've done with the hoods/goggles on the renegades (the guy on the right looks particularly corrupt). I would suggest breaking up the rounded armour on the front with some dents, pits, maybe a chaos symbol gouged in it perhaps. The sandbags are a cool touch on the vox casters base.

Ace use of the airbrush on the Deathguard (I have an airbrush that is yet to come out of the box). I'd love to see a step by step for one of these guys (might inspire me to finish my own Deathguard/Legion of Rust). The end result is superb (how long did the models take and what stages did you go through?).

On the rust. I like the rust you have and as it naturally comes in all different tones and textures I don't think you need to worry too much about these guys. My only thought is that the rust is a touch uniform (particularly on the back of the models). Having said that the contrast with the base is great and the highlighting is really effective. An army of these would look great on the tabletop.

Cheers Laney:D

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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:44 pm

Thanks Laney. I have been seriously flip flopping on whether I like how they look now. I like how dirty they look-like their white armour is stained and rotten into it's green colour.

The tutorial for how I painted them can be found here. This is Les Bursley's tutorial. More of his tutorials can be found at awesomepaintjob.com or on his youtube channel. He gives a really good step by step. I changed up a few things, but used his recipe for the basic airbrushing steps.

I think once I get these down and paint them in squads of 7 it should go quite quickly. I spent about 2 hours airbrushing these two and about 3-4 hours painting details. I painted about 6 layers of rust though as it looked wrong to me. And I spent most of the airbrushing time trying to clear a clog. Once I get this down I think it should be about 1-1.5 hours per model to get them completed.
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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:25 am

Here is a quick WIP shot of a few test renegades. I am trying quite a few new techniques on these one.



I tried painting the cloth and boots and some other bits almost totally with glazes. I tried a new set of steps for painting skin. A few bits need to be darkened up and finished. The guns and metal needs a lot more detail.

The glowing orange eyes are not really doing it for me. They really stand out. I painted them with blazing orange + highlights. They look cool in person as they really stand out. I think they might be a bit too bright though.

Let me know what you think so far.
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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:05 am

I love them - they are brilliant - I like the glow on the eyes, the stained clothes - the whole thing works really well as a paint job. Great use of white undercoat, something I hardly ever do!

Really looking forward to what's next.

Laney:D

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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:21 am

Thanks Laney. Any tips of improving the glowing eyes and source lighting around the eyes? I'd like to tone down the eyes themselves a little and improve the quality of the OSL around them. Any ideas?
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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:12 am

I'm thrilled! they scheme looks really nice, and (imo) not to blatant. Good solid choice of colours, and a true sense of weathering and decay Wink (the middle one, who's practically oozing something nasty from his neck is really icky.

I can really imagine the bases when they are done - they look really good too! The details with the wires and metal girders are just fine!
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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:29 am

Thanks Komfritten. I put a fair bit of time into building the bases to have lots of interesting bits of them.

I've finished the four renegades so far. The pictures are awful though. I tried lots of different modes and lighting and adjusted the white balance and things but I still kept getting out of focus pictures (yes, in macro mode, on timer, resting on a surface). I edited these in iPhoto and then on photobucket just to get them to this inadequate stage. So frustrating. I will take some more pictures tomorrow morning with better lighting so I can show some of the cool things on these models.

Here are the pictures I have so far.









This picture looks really shiny and awful. I just included it to show the burnt up end of the flamer.

Will try to take some better pictures soon.
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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:19 am

Yiiikes you call that awful? Your paintstyle is so clean and crisp and out-of-this-world it's not even funny anymore!

LEAVE NOW! Before I unleash my jealousy on you!

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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:33 am

Great job boss. I'm with Arachas on this one (except for the leaving part).

Where does the backpack with the entrenching tool come from?
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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:57 am

I have to agree with the 2 other, they look just right, giving the perfect Death Squads / renegade look.

Love the masks you made, but my favorite have to be the bolt-pistol guy... there is just somthing about him that makes him perfect Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:42 am

ClausLars wrote:
Where does the backpack with the entrenching tool come from?

Imperial Guard Heavy Weapon Team sprue.

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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:41 am

This thread is sickening! I mean... I think Papa Nurgle would puke out of sheer amazement at the superb quality of your work! WOW! Delicate strokes... AMAZING colors... air brushed dirt?!?! You are [CENSORED BY INQUISITOR MOLINA] insane! The rust!!! DAMN!!!

Narcissus... you, Laney, Komfritten and DeafNala... you guys are on a league on your own. Four different styles... each of them worth their own hall at the MUMA. I would not dare to say one is better than the others... you guys have VERY different styles... but I can COMPLETELY say I'm honored to lay my eyes at your work.

Not that I'm worth to critique your work (I honestly can't!) but you mentioned that you were unhappy with the OSL on the eyes. Your technique is FLAWLESS... but I think I know why it is bugging you (Get it? 'bug' as in 'bothered' and the model has 'buggy eyes'? meh!)... it is the color! It blends so well with the rust on the chest (which is what I consider PERFECT) that the eyes become two great balls of rust, instead of great ball of fire (Get it? as the song? BAH!)

Do not touch the model... it WAY TOO COOL! I think that you needed to move away from the red/orange palette from the rust. For the next model, I would try BLUE. Why? Because it is complimentary with green, but since you have no blue it will draw the attention to the unnatural glow ( Twisted Evil )

Anyhow... thanks for making my day. I will try to repay the favor with my upcoming Battle Report!

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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:55 am

I love these models. Especially the guy with the rust on his chest. They look fantastic, and I also love the red eye effect.

I see what Mord says about the red blending in with the rust, but I would keep it red, I feel it works very well on them.

These guys are awesome... cheers!
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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:16 pm

Thanks for the kind words everyone. I'm a bit overwhelmed at all of the positive feedback. It really motivates me to get some more painted. To clarify, I am pleased with how the models look, but frustrated by the pictures. I'll post some better ones today.

Darcchipmunk and Mord-I agree that the eyes blend in more with the rust. That is good though. When it was just the eyes painted they looked a bit ridiculous. The rust helps them to tone down a bit.

Arachas-you are correct, it is from the heavy weapon team. I have been following Laney's mantra of a backpack for every guardsman.

Mordheimer-thanks for the compliment on delicate brush strokes. I am generally a bit too heavy handed. I painted all of the cloth area using multiple glazes (so I didn't have to highlight the pants!). I took a lot of care to just carefully highlight the hair and faces and other bits that I manually highlighted.
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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:40 pm

I managed to take some better pictures this morning. They are still not perfect, but they are definitely an improvement. I built a small reflective photobox using cardbord and aluminum foil. I then set it up so that natural sunlight reflected in it. It isn't perfect, but it worked a lot better than yesterdays pictures. The background I downloaded from this site: Corvus miniatures. That is where I got the reflective lightbox idea too.


The reflective lightbox.


A group picture. I think I need to paint the eyes on the flamer. He looks a bit weird without them. I am always a bit nervous to paint eyes though.


Heavy weapon specialist with flamer and militiagrampa with autopistol and club (bloody arm in a cast!).


Close up showing the rusty barbed wire base and you can see the soot stained barrel a little bit. The cloth and leather I painted entirely using multiple glazes of paint and vallejo glazing medium at a 1:1 ratio. No highlighting!


The slimy metal was done using washes with some Tamiya Clear Orange mixed in. The gore on the spike and clothes was done by mixing Tamiya Clear Red with a little dark brown and them globbing it on.





Now just another 14 or so more to paint! Comments, criticisms, suggestions, tips, and questions are appreciated. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:39 pm

*joins the worshipping*
Man! Those are some darned awesome models! If I was wearing a hat I'd take it of for ya! Your work gives me the right inspiration to go back to my work table again! Thanks! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:32 pm

You need to make a step-by-step tutorial!

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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:37 pm

For the painting or the photobox?
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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:27 pm

Painting... the link for the photo box was VERY good!

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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:43 am

He's afraid to paint the eyes. You have GOT to be kidding me!

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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:03 am

Outstanding renegades! The photobox is a cool idea, your use of the airbrush is impressive and the colour scheme is great - I want to see the commander!

I do think you should try the eyes - on the flamer head - there are quite prominent. Paint the white in, use the finest archiving pen (e.g. 005) that you can find to dot the pupils (gives you greater control). A dilute wash of gryphonne sepia can blend it in if it's too stark.

On the OSL - the new pictures show it off better. OSL tends to look better against darker surfaces (but yours works very well against the lighter surface).

My OSL is very rough and ready...

1. I find my colour range e.g. for blue - asurmen blue (darkest), ultramarine, enchanted, hawk turquoise, ice blue, space wolves grey, white...

2. Then use washes of the darker colours further away from the source, making them less dilute as you gradually get closer to the source (I would 'bunch up' the brighter colours around the light source - with white used very sparingly). If I'm taking my time I would try to add the next colour over the previous slightly wetter to blend them together (this can work well if both layers are still wet - but have a spare brush ready to soak up excess!)

3. A wash can always tone down the overall effect again if needed.

Cheers Laney:D

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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:21 am

Im been trying to figure this out for some time now.....
What the **** is OSL ??

You guys keep talking about that like its something everbody know... but i never heard about it before, thinking its something 40Kish...

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PostSubject: Re: Narcissus' imperial renegades and chaos cultists   Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:50 am

It's an abbreviation of Object Source Lighting. It's basically means you paint around light sources, so that it looks like they are emitting colored light.

Examples of this are the effects Narcissus uses on the hooded troopers (red eyes, red glow) and Laney's plasma glow on his rifles.

Another particularly pretty example:


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